Podcast Episode #122: Small Scale Hemp Farming with Len Mackey

Podcast Episode #122: Small Scale Hemp Farming with Len Mackey Len Mackay of Shima Hill Hemp Farm, Canton NY

Mon, 10/5 12:58PM • 46:54


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Jenn Procacci, Len Mackey




Jenn Procacci 00:10
Welcome to CBD college. I am your host, Jennifer Procacci Thanks for listening immediately. I’ve obtained an excellent visitor with me right here immediately. Len Mackey. He’s the farmer at Shima Hill farm. And we will be speaking all about his expertise as a primary time hemp farmer. However earlier than we get began with that, I simply need to let you recognize that for those who assume the CBD college podcast sounds nice, thank the blokes on the bass sound creations. Whether or not you are interested by moving into podcasting, or you have already got a present, I extremely suggest getting in contact with them. They will assist you with sound modifying and mixing, publishing, even distribution, promotion, branding, content material evaluation, tech assist, and principally each different manufacturing side you possibly can think about, they’ll actually take your present to an entire new degree of high quality and visibility. You’ll be able to electronic mail them at data on the bass sound.com ensuring to make use of the coupon code my podcast now to get a free 30 minute session. For extra data, go to the bass sound.com and begin podcasting the suitable means now. All proper, I’ve obtained lead Mackie right here with me immediately. He’s a extremely motivated, adaptable and non secular particular person who has been rising the sacred hashish in small secret gardens from the age of 15. They will be turning 40 on the twentieth Yup, he is a Scorpio. Len at present runs Shima Hill hemp farm exterior of Canton, New York, and gives historical Earth expertise courses, little tracker homeschool programming and wellness programs at native universities and on the farm. These embrace applications resembling feral human out of doors health, yoga, corrective train and Private Coaching in judo, and West African drum and dance. In earlier incarnations, he was an expert marriage ceremony photographer, unique dancer, ballroom, trainer, Reiki practitioner, and fashionable dance accompanist. Both he’s a renaissance man or he simply has a DD. He is unsure which a northern New York native, he grew up getting stung by honeybees and the household backyard and taking part in within the woods searching, fishing, trapping and speaking with the Earth Spirits. As an artist. He has been the recipient of artwork begin and decentralization grants offered by New York State by the St. Lawrence County Arts Council for six years now, providing music efficiency and cultural training. He’s the founding father of the YouTube channel historical Earth expertise lead Mackey, and tune of the spheres integrated multimedia firm specializing in training

and leisure for kids of all ages. Discover him on Instagram at historical Earth expertise. All proper, lead Are you right here with us immediately?

Len Mackey 03:06
I am right here in a single type or one other?

Jenn Procacci 03:09
Nice, thanks a lot for taking the time to affix me. And as we get began immediately, I simply wished to ask you to share with our listeners, what’s your private relationship to hashish?

Len Mackey 03:20
Nicely, I have been interacting with that stunning plant since I used to be a teen, utilizing it for leisure functions to loosen up, to hope to present choices within the morning. And first began rising it after I was simply allowed there about 15 and, you recognize, at all times had a grand adventures, sneaking out to my little gardens and making an attempt to go away Not a hint or a monitor. So it has been fairly an journey going from that sort of relationship to the one I’m in now which is authorized farm right here in New York, rising hemp, CBD and CBG hemp. So it has been completely the best pleasure, no stuffed with blood, sweat and tears, in fact, however a number of pleasure, working by way of this course of and really with the ability to develop the fantastic plant out within the open discipline with the irrigation and all of the fertilizer and love that I might presumably put upon her. So it has been an exquisite dance with this plant. And you recognize, it is helped me in so some ways. I can not even actually matter them. So yeah, I’ve a variety of gratitude for hashish. That’s for positive. Great. Thank

Jenn Procacci 04:39
you for sharing that I do as properly. So we undoubtedly have that in frequent. So that you talked about that you have cultivated hashish earlier than. However how did you get began with hemp farming? Is that this one thing you thought you’d ever do? 

Len Mackey 04:52
It is sort of attention-grabbing, truly. I used to be dwelling in an intentional group referred to as birdsfoot Farm not removed from right here. Simply in all probability half mile down the highway, the place I met an exquisite fellow named Phil Hosking, who’s the person who owns the land right here. And as my farming accomplice, and Phil has been cultivating medicinal hashish for quite a few years in California, and, you recognize, had sufficient success to have the ability to purchase the farm right here. So it is sort of like a prayer answered truly, as a result of the earlier landowner, I have been searching right here and doing fowl habitat initiatives sponsored by Audubon Society and stuff to develop the land for various species. And the earlier landowner was truly planning to log the forest. And I did not have the cash to purchase the land. So I used to be like, please, you recognize, no matter you are referred to as, cease this, no matter, simply make it. So this does not happen. And so it wasn’t a number of months after that, that fell on the shopping for the land. And he knew that I had been gardening for some time, and we had an excellent relationship whereas he was visiting there with a girlfriend of his. So we instantly developed an exquisite rapport, after which couple years go by, and he is like, hey, Len, you need to develop some hemp? I am like, Nicely, let me give it some thought. And truthfully, you recognize, I did not have to consider it that lengthy. As a result of it was extra like a dream coming true than something, as a result of I might at all times wished that it was completely authorized for me to domesticate hashish. And now it’s right here in New York. So I’m actually blessed. Oh, that is

Jenn Procacci 06:38

an exquisite and heartwarming story you shared with us simply there. Thanks. So it feels like you may have a reasonably robust connection to the land that you simply work on. And the way does that connection that you’ve with the land inform your farming practices.  

Len Mackey 06:53

undoubtedly, in each means that I can attempt to be a caretaker of the land, the soil. This 12 months, we experimented with a wide range of strategies of no until farming, in addition to some tail and canopy cropping for College of Vermont experiment that surveyed completely different cowl crop strategies. So you recognize, principally making an attempt to make as little impression as attainable. And truly, you recognize, over time, if there is a strategy to discover methods to enhance the soil, to enhance the native forest, with a bit of tracker program, we planted in all probability over 500, black walnut seeds thus far, instructing the children about major, secondary and tertiary instructions, like okay, let’s Chuck walnuts to the east, to the south, to the west, to the north, you recognize, so looking for enjoyable methods to counterpoint the land right here for future generations within the hemp discipline and within the surrounding surroundings, you recognize, fowl habitat, and, you recognize, a number of nuts for the squirrels and for the people as properly, hopefully, sooner or later. In order that’s sort of what actually motivates me extra than simply loving farming and watching issues develop and tending to the soil and seeing the fruits of our labors in a direct means. However hoping to, you recognize, move one thing good on to the following one’s developing.

Jenn Procacci 08:25
Yeah, that is actually fantastic. It feels like stewarding the land and in addition involving the group. We’re undoubtedly targets of yours with this venture. Did you may have every other targets that you simply hopefully realized, or maybe did not? Nicely, I

Len Mackey 08:38
guess, you recognize, a number of little targets and large targets and simply beginning the farm right here from scratch. And first, okay, I obtained to construct a greenhouse, obtained some recycled components, okay, how can I put this collectively. So it is like a in the future at a time dealing with the little challenges, like blow ups within the irrigation on a sizzling day when the hose was not operating and fixing it with a chunk of an outdated didgeridoo, you recognize, discovering these challenges alongside the best way are enjoyable and good to navigate. However I am hoping in the end that by way of all this, that we are able to truly make a really profitable farm right here. And you recognize, I’ve a great deal of scholar debt from my research and Rochester Institute of Expertise, learning images. So if I might get rid of that, Oh, properly, that will simply be superb. And actually, I suppose, dwelling life with the intent to create drugs and issues that feed the individuals in quite a few manners, you recognize, a wide range of methods, from simply meals and the fiber and in addition issues to get rid of their ache or assist them sleep or, you recognize, regulate their feelings or no matter it could be. That makes me actually completely satisfied. And in order that means, you recognize, when it is my time to feed the backyard, I can die completely satisfied man, I suppose. That is fantastic.

Jenn Procacci 10:09
So was this the primary farming venture that you simply took on by your self? It sounds such as you did some farming earlier than on the intentional group maybe. And you recognize, it sounds such as you’ve had your hashish secret gardens on the market. However is that this your first form of bigger scale solo farming venture?

Len Mackey 10:25
Yeah, that is my first full on industrial farming endeavor. So it is like undoubtedly upscale every part. And, you recognize, rising up, we had a backyard and I had strawberries and beans. And, you recognize, we at all times hunted for meals. And so I’ve at all times had an actual shut connection to that, and did some gardening at birdsfoot farm. And, you recognize, it is had little private gardens alongside the best way. And so, you recognize, with every part that is happening on the earth, now, I used to be very a lot completely satisfied to instantly turn into a full time farmer. And spend a variety of time right here exterior and, you recognize, alongside the hemp group, a number of squash and pumpkins, and would have had a little bit of corn, however the raccoon ate all that. So, you recognize, making an attempt to boost some geese and a few chickens and a bunch of sizzling peppers and potatoes and different great things. So, you recognize, at this level in my life, simply my coronary heart tells me this, my thoughts tells me this makes probably the most sense, no less than for me personally to, you recognize, farm and be taught as a lot as I can alongside the best way.

Jenn Procacci 11:40
That is proper. I feel us farmers are fairly fortunate proper now with the state of the world, to be out right here on the land, with the ability to present, you recognize, meals for ourselves and hopefully for our communities as properly. I am a farmer. Additionally, I’ve a licensed hashish farm right here in California referred to as wild land hashish. And I am sustainable as I presumably could be. I attempt to incorporate regenerative strategies into my farming practices. So I might like to ask you some questions on your farming strategies. You talked about some companion planting and a few cowl cropping and that you simply had some poultry otherwise you rising your hemp within the floor. And what sort of irrigation are you utilizing? Would you simply speak a bit of bit about your farming strategies for us?

Len Mackey 12:25
Certain, yeah, we did a wide range of completely different planting strategies. This 12 months, we did three rows of row detailed with a wide range of cowl crops, principally learning the consequences of, you recognize, utilizing haylage, black plastic clover or nothing in any respect by way of an experiment we did with College of Vermont. In order that was fairly attention-grabbing. And we have been accumulating knowledge and we’ll be persevering with to try this by way of the ultimate product. So we did that we additionally did a bunch of no until the place we principally dug holes on the bottom and added a pleasant mixture of vitamins after which simply flip the sod over and use that to assist maintain the grass again. We did some completely different companion planting strategies. We planted an excellent row of buckwheat and helps to usher in issues that will maintain the aphids down or draw the aphids away from the hemp and really ended up actually serving to us out when the Romans got here in and began girdling the crops and attacking the faucet roots, tree gum and cayenne pepper was a significant deterrent after which on the time to the shrews got here into the backyard because the buckwheat additionally got here into its full fruit, which drew the voles and different issues away from the hemp. In order that was very, very useful. And within the discipline there we mowed however, you recognize, principally disturbed as little as attainable and there is, you recognize, naturally occurring golden rod and vetch and cleavers, you recognize, or bedstraw, and different grasses and issues which are diversifying the realm. So I feel that actually helped maintain the pests down. We had just about no pestilence other than the mice, which occurred instantly after they hate the sector. They moved proper in. In order that appeared to actually regulate the aphids, as a result of our pals have a farm not removed from right here. And so they inform every part and so they had a severe aphid downside final 12 months, however we hardly noticed a single one. So I feel having that range and, you recognize, disturbing the soil as little as attainable was actually a boon for us alongside the buckwheat. We additionally experimented with planting completely different mints in with among the CBG to presumably encourage the terpene manufacturing of the crops and we will play extra with that I feel sooner or later. So yeah, we now have a bunch of various issues we’re taking part in with right here completely different experiments. So it is at all times enjoyable to see, you recognize what occurs?

Jenn Procacci 15:08
Yeah, that is tremendous cool. I develop mint in my hashish backyard additionally with the identical hope of accelerating terpene manufacturing, and I develop another companion crops for that objective as properly. Yarrow is one among them, sage, I develop some beebalm. And I can aishah in there too. And I jury’s out, I feel on whether or not or not it is elevated my terpene manufacturing, nevertheless it appears lovely. And the useful bugs adore it, you recognize, the bees are everywhere in the males and the beebalm within the akinesia. And it simply provides to the sort of like excessive vibe of the entire backyard, for my part. In order that’s superior that you simply’re doing that good for you. You talked about a number of completely different sorts of experiments you probably did with several types of cowl cropping and form of like tilling versus not tilling, was there one mixture of those who appeared to work the very best?

Len Mackey 15:59
Nicely, you recognize, it is attention-grabbing, so far as ease fluidity, and you recognize, the ergonomics of placing within the crops and digging the holes and making ready the sector, undoubtedly having the Rose rototill made that course of lots sooner and simpler. And people plans did do rather well. We principally put black plastic on one portion, one other portion was seeded with clover, one other portion was lined with haylage, you recognize, composted hay. After which the ultimate part was simply left to the open air. And truly an entire lot of chenopodium or lambsquarters ended up transferring in there. From one of many experimental rows with the buckwheat, I feel we now have a bunch of migrants. So these crops did fairly properly. And one factor I did discover have been within the rows the place the realm the place it was not lined with something, the crops appear to develop much more vertically, and so they have been taller and skinnier than the opposite ones, which was attention-grabbing. , it was such a dry 12 months, I do not know if that was a mirrored image of the taproot going deeper and straighter versus having the duvet of the opposite stuff to maintain within the moisture. I am unsure, precisely. However that was fairly noticeable. I have never calculated the ultimate weights and measures have bucked flower and trim flower but. In order that would be the closing sort of inform story for that experiment. And, you recognize, the most important crops that we had, have been truly in a piece of the backyard the place we did no until. However they occur to be within the space the place the hillside drained. And a variety of the vitamins I feel, settled on this one row. And in order that soil was significantly wealthy. And I imply, these crops simply did superb. And that was principally simply digging about an 18 inch gap, a foot and a half down and placing in, you recognize, our hen poop and bone char and micro riser and different great things. And, you recognize, having a drip line irrigation system that was run off of a pump that got here out of the Little River, it is a small river that runs by way of the land right here, made it very easy and simply saved us as a result of we had the driest 12 months right here, I feel on document in some instances. And so having the drip irrigation was very, very, I imply, simply important to the bounty of the backyard this 12 months. Yeah, we use the gold pump, a xylem pump that work simply implausible and may very well be used for a bigger space than what we ended up cultivating, which wasn’t in all probability extra far more than an acre. We put in about 470 some crops and after we misplaced perhaps three dozen to the rodents, after which another you recognize, aspect harm. And we had some teeny tiny cherry wines. One thing to do with these genetics, we had about 40 crops out of 100 and a few seed that was planted simply be like these little bonds eyes, and so they have been so cute, however they did not get very huge. So yeah, that was humorous. So we planted them in with the buckwheat. And that was sort of like our tribute to the cherry wine and to the hashish and to the earth. , a bit of providing and thanksgiving gratitude. Positively. That is a giant a part of it too. , with each seed planted and each transplanting and each planting and simply little choices of gratitude and herbs and prayers of Thanksgiving. , I feel it sweetens the medication that rather more.

Jenn Procacci 19:43
Yeah, completely. And I do know after we had spoke earlier about making ready for this interview immediately, you talked about that there was this non secular part of what you do is essential to you. So would you converse to that for our listeners? Yeah, I

Len Mackey 19:57
guess. It simply makes me really feel good. To say thanks. And, you recognize, I’m very a lot a believer, I really feel very deeply in my coronary heart that crops are simply as acutely aware as animals are. And, you recognize, they may talk on completely different frequencies, electromagnetic frequencies that perhaps we do not detect as a lot with our mind, however extra with the receptors in our coronary heart and our intestine, you recognize, these neurons are sort of like, an antenna for these indicators. And so I really feel very a lot that crops and animals, you recognize, any dwelling factor within the water or the air, all of it has, you recognize, that frequency and so feels excellent to me to only acknowledge all these forces and I really feel very a lot that the the crops definitely reply to it had an indoor a small indoor backyard as soon as in a small aspect room on this condo I used to be renting, and I’d sit in there with them, and I’d play the didgeridoo and simply ship them you recognize, loving vitality. And Reiki simply sort of mentioned that intent and I swear to God, they might go from like, this relaxed state, after which they might simply slowly go, woo. And they’d simply get up. And I do not know if I used to be simply hallucinating it however or if it was simply all the surplus co2 from my breath. However yeah, I can not assist however discover, you recognize, how crops reply to,

Jenn Procacci 21:34
you recognize, our intent? Completely. And I’ve to say, I do not assume you might be in all probability hallucinating it in any respect. I feel that there is completely a non secular connection between individuals and crops and animals. All of us coexist right here on this realm collectively, we’re all undoubtedly working on completely different frequencies, such as you talked about, however all of our existences intersect with one another. And we’re all dependent upon one another, in some ways, the connection between crops which are cultivated by people, and the those that domesticate them. And the historical past behind that’s completely fascinating. So even simply by farming, any plant, I feel you are engaged in a deeper non secular relationship with that plant, in all probability past our consciousness past what we are able to even perceive as individuals, you recognize, the plant creates a relationship with us, it desires us to develop it, it desires us to assist it survive to assist it evolve. After which the plant helps us evolve additionally, particularly hashish. I imply, it is one of the vital tangible crops in that regard, the place we are able to actually bodily really feel the change and the shift after we ingest it. Have you ever ingested any of the hemp that you have grown this 12 months? Have you ever smoked any of it?

Len Mackey 22:49
Sure, I have been having fun with it. It is my first expertise with CBG flour. And I additionally develop my very own tobacco, some abenaki and Mohawk strains and accumulate maulin and incorporate Sage into completely different smoking blends, you recognize, for medicinal mixtures. And I’m an enormous fan of the CBG as a result of it actually, I prefer to be awake and transferring and grooving and doing stuff. And you recognize, till I am like able to fade into my pillow, you recognize, I need that sort of stimulation. And in order that has simply been superb the CBG means. I’ve actually been mixing that in lots additionally with common THC strains and the CBD is the lifters been fairly scrumptious and the S r1 have not sampled the cherry wine but. It is nonetheless being barked. And that’s very nice. When I’m able to quiet down and you recognize relaxation or sleep. There is a native professor who brings me eggs, he has chickens that he raises natural eggs from. So I have been giving him among the CBD flour. And you recognize, talked about to him about how he might extract it in coconut oil or ghee or butter after which put it into some sort of tea. , and I requested him, you recognize, do you need to be awake or do you need to like hang around on the sofa? He is like, Oh, yeah, I undoubtedly need to hang around on the sofa. And yeah, he is such a stunning fella, however he does get pleasure from his leisure time. So he mentioned he and his spouse made some tea with it and he mentioned, Ah, we simply slept like infants land. He mentioned I used to be nice. So I am having an excellent expertise with the flowers and people are as properly. After we have been speaking earlier I discussed my good friend Madison and her household rising hemp at grass river hemp exterior of Canton right here. They do the native farmers markets and so they produce some fantastic oils like a maple taste Oil, oh my god, it is like a bit of dropper of desert, it is so good. After which only a common taste, after which additionally some bombs. And they also’ve been handing them out on the farmers markets, and a few individuals will stroll by and be like, Oh, you recognize, it is, it is the pot individuals or this or that, and, you recognize, they are not positive what to assume. And a few individuals will likely be like, Oh, you recognize, what is that this, you recognize, and sort of proach it, you recognize, cautiously and so there’s this one girl who had Fibromyalgia has had it for quite a few years. And, you recognize, not one of the pharmaceutical meds are working for her. And so, you recognize, she had heard about CBD, however, you recognize, wasn’t actually positive as a result of it was associated to hashish and marijuana. And people sorts of stigmas have been taking part in behind her thoughts. And so she did not need to pattern the precise CBD oil, as a result of she was afraid it will have an effect on her skill to drive, although it isn’t intoxicating, you recognize, she wasn’t conscious of that. And so she did put some bomb although, on her shoulders in her arms, and, you recognize, simply walked across the market. And so after about quarter-hour, she got here again to Madison’s sales space. And he or she’s like, Oh, my God, I really feel such reduction. I can not even inform you. She’s like, I must get some tinctures. So she purchased a few the tinctures and one other factor of the balm and introduced them residence and began dosing them. And the following day, she left quarter-hour, voicemail on Madison’s telephone, you recognize, apologizing for being so lengthy, however you recognize that she had all these items to say. And so she was saying how she, you recognize, had tried the the oil. And he or she truly for the primary time and years, she discovered some reduction and really was dropped at the purpose of tears and the message. And now she’s like, please, you recognize, inform everybody, you recognize my story. And I hope that it may possibly assist much more individuals and she or he’s simply thanking Madison a lot. And so I am discovering a variety of profit. And the individuals locally that are not even aware of it are actually simply discovering it and discovering like very direct and speedy outcomes. , I’ve pals who give small quantities of CBD to their youngsters, and that helps them to be extra emotionally balanced and be extra centered. And so I really feel very longing for you recognize, hemp and imagine a lot within the energy of this plant as drugs. I imply, to not point out, just like the meals and clothes and shelter. And you recognize, I imply, you possibly can truly make fireplace by friction with it. Such an unimaginable plan. And you recognize, we have lived with it for thus lengthy that, you recognize, as you are saying it desires us to assist it and it desires to assist us and I am actually seeing a variety of profit from the CBD and CBG flowers personally and

Jenn Procacci 28:04
throughout. That is such an attractive story you may have about that group member together with her fibromyalgia. And a query that I had for you was about your group and hemp farming and the way these issues had intersected and interacted with each other. There’s a lot stigma nonetheless surrounding hashish and hemp, that are the identical factor. All all through the nation. And in locations like California, the place I develop hashish, it is in methods extra accepted, though there may be nonetheless undoubtedly stigma, however you are on the east coast. Completely, you recognize, completely different tradition and surroundings. Was there any damaging response out of your group in the direction of your hemp farm or your folks have farmer different hemp farms within the space are individuals like shocked to see weed crops being thrown out within the open, perhaps positively shocked perhaps negatively? Possibly a bit of scared

Len Mackey 29:00
or issues principally they’re like, wow, that is lovely. , undoubtedly get the total gamut, the total spectrum reactions like my mother was on the hairdresser’s telling a lady who does her hair that I you recognize, obtained a license with my good friend to develop, you recognize, authorized hemp in New York and she or he was like, Oh, properly, who’s he grown up with? And it is unlawful and rummer you recognize, simply began firing 1,000,000 questions, you recognize, and my mother was like, man, I virtually want I hadn’t even instructed her. So, you recognize, you may have these sorts of reactions the place individuals are like, properly, what are they doing is you recognize, it is obtained to be unlawful or it is obtained to be unhealthy or you recognize, due to these sort of unconscious seeds which have been planted. However then you recognize, my pals at Little River ham, they’ve a farm on the opposite aspect of Canton, on one of many sort of principal highways there. And my buddy Joe who There, he is the primary farmer. It is truly on his land. He mentioned, there’s at all times individuals driving up and like stopping and like pulling over and simply trying on the discipline or they will drive up and decelerate and like peek out or they will drive by and honk, you recognize. So you possibly can you possibly can sense the joy, and maybe a level of apprehension, but in addition like nice entry. As a result of I feel someplace deep down it doesn’t matter what somebody’s thoughts is telling them, like another sensor of their physique is like, Oh, that is one thing excellent. And it positive is gorgeous.

Jenn Procacci 30:41
Completely. tremendous lovely. Have you ever Are any of your different have farmer pals had any issues with theft?

Len Mackey 30:48
, truly, Joe’s like, yeah, I am simply ready to get up within the morning and see like a giant chunk gone. However luckily, that by no means occurred. We over right here by no means had anyone residence and mess with the crops. We have now had a trespasser on the land, a man who likes to wander throughout individuals’s property together with his 4 wheeler, however he did not mess with the backyard. I feel he has his personal secret backyard anyway. So he is in all probability simply making an attempt to put low at this level. So we did not have any hassle. And there is one other farm out off of Route 37. And I do not actually know them. I have never met them simply but. I’ve simply heard completely different tales and stuff. However luckily, I have never heard a lot about theft. , I feel some individuals like can also assume, Oh, it is hemp? Why would we steal that? , proper? As a result of we are able to get excessive off it or I imply, who is aware of? Which is okay with me, you recognize? So, you recognize, luckily, we’ve not had any and truthfully, like, we solely had one leaf on one plant of the cherry wine nibbled by the deer. And he or she took a bit of chew out of the tip of 1 leaf after which determined to eat the lambs quarters proper subsequent to it as a substitute.

So, you recognize,

Jenn Procacci 32:04
yeah, I am simply imagining myself as a highschool scholar and my pals sneaking into the hemp discipline to snip some bugs. However I am glad that hasn’t occurred in any noticeable capability. Do you guys have a fence? Like, what are your life? Your necessities from the state? I suppose is what I am actually asking right here. As a result of, you recognize, I develop hashish out right here in California, you develop hemp in New York, prefer it’s the identical plant spoiler alert for everyone on the market. It simply has completely different ranges of sure compounds, similar factor. However you recognize, we now have to have every kind of loopy safety necessities, cameras and fences and stuff like that, regardless that have been means out in the course of completely nowhere. So is there something like that, that it’s a must to adjust to? And do you may have inspections? Like What’s your relationship like with the state of New York by way of your hemp operation?

Len Mackey 33:00
So far as like fencing and safety and stuff goes? We’ve not Not that I am conscious of. I imply, ours is an open discipline, my buddy’s handle over him, there’s an open discipline, we do have to supply, you recognize, after we apply for a license, we now have to you recognize, have like coordinates of the place the backyard will likely be after which the place will probably be processed and dried and saved. So we now have to have all that stuff sort of laid out for the state. And we had a really pleasant fellow Chris from Ag and markets COMM And he got here and checked out the sector earlier than there was something in it, however the wild grasses and cleavers and the golden rod. After which he got here again within the spring after I might put up the greenhouse and began the seeds. After which he got here again in a while after we had planted and you recognize, was intrigued by the companion planting and stuff we have been doing so he had a one other native farmer out additionally her first 12 months rising and Ruby botanicals there in Vermont beneath the Adirondacks, the lightful hardworking spirited girl, and she or he got here out with a pleasant and so they checked out the farm. So I’ve had a really, very pleasant relationship thus far with the state. And we have needed to make some amendments to our license utility. Simply issues obtained modified round and stuff. However all in all, it has been fairly optimistic. They did not come out and really examine or take a look at our flower this 12 months that we did that on our personal, nevertheless it’s fairly relaxed so far as like safety. , we do not have to have a fence or cameras or something that I am conscious of at this level. So, you recognize, I do not know if that may change. If we when New York does legalize leisure hashish if we might presumably get a license for that. If there will likely be completely different necessities, and I do know that this 12 months the state simply modified all of the laws and made it an entire lot dearer and all that to develop CBD, Hashish, or CBD hemp, so issues are undoubtedly altering on a regular basis right here. Like we did not even know if New York was going to be in cost subsequent 12 months or if the feds have been till like a pair weeks in the past. So it has been sort of a rocky journey with that. However, you recognize, simply making an attempt to make every part work positively, as greatest we are able to. At this level, actually?

Jenn Procacci 35:36
Yeah, sounds such as you’re on the hashish curler coaster journey identical to everybody in the entire nation who’s cultivating hashish or have been any capability. It is like, issues are altering each 5 seconds. And also you simply should breathe and let go and be so grateful on your alternative to work with the plant as a result of in any other case you will simply drive your self loopy making an attempt to plan the following transfer. It is like, you actually simply should glide, it appears at this level,

Len Mackey 36:05
I am going the circulation and we’ll by no means give up.

We are going to by no means surrender. Precisely proper.

Jenn Procacci 36:13
That is precisely proper. What do you see as the marketplace for your hemp flour this 12 months? Are you going to attempt to promote it as smokeable flour or you recognize tincture or bombs combo? What are you considering for that?

Len Mackey 36:27
I am at this level in New York. See, it is sort of bizarre, I do not totally perceive the laws round it. As a result of I do know some farms like there is a farm downstate that is ready to promote hemp flour tea on the farmers market. However then there’s additionally some sort of factor the place we’re not alleged to promote the smokeable flour within the States. So if we are able to promote it as tea, then maybe it may be marketed in that means. However then after I go to the native smoke store, they’ve hemp flour in there, you recognize they’ve an oz., and so they have 1 / 4 ounce and all that stuff. So it is truthfully like actually complicated for me at this level so far as like what we’re allowed to do and what we’re not allowed to do or how we’re allowed to current it. So my plan is at this level, as a result of you recognize, the hemp flour is there within the retailer, I might prefer to go and begin regionally on the native well being meals retailer providing it additionally Phil has some connections with some pretty individuals that could be involved in CBD or CBD and urgent that into oil. We have additionally talked about that, although, at this level, you recognize, being the very first 12 months sort of trying extra merely simply so far as like, what can we do with simply the flour at this level? , and the way marketable is that. After which if that’s not as marketable as we wish, then we might change it into a distinct type, just like the tinctures and bombs and stuff like our pals are. So at this level, we’re going primarily for smoke flower out of state gross sales, or in state t. In order that’s principally what we had in thoughts at this level. And we truly did have our first pound sale yesterday.

Jenn Procacci 38:15

Len Mackey 38:17
Oh, that is implausible. Yeah. Oh, I used to be so completely satisfied. . So I imply, at this level has been just about volunteer work, nevertheless it’s a labor of affection. So what can we do? Completely.

Jenn Procacci 38:29
Congratulations in your first sale on 1111. That is fairly cosmic.

Len Mackey 38:35
Oh, yeah. Yeah, good timing.

Jenn Procacci 38:37
Proper. I hope that bodes properly for the remainder of your gross sales.

Len Mackey 38:41

Jenn Procacci 38:42
So it looks like we’re transferring in the direction of the tip of our time right here collectively immediately. So I simply wished to provide the alternative to boost any subjects that you simply wish to that we’ve not lined but, or share something with our podcast listeners that we’ve not shared but.

Len Mackey 38:57
I suppose, you recognize, it doesn’t matter what occurs, simply carry on going. All these challenges that we face, on the earth rising this explicit plant. And past that, it has been mentioned that, you recognize, we now have no management over the fruits of our labors. However all we now have is our labors. And so I suppose if we are able to simply do what we love, then we’re placing out that sort of vitality into the world. And so it doesn’t matter what occurs makes even a small distinction. , each pebble dropped within the pond creates a ripple that, you recognize, as you have been saying earlier than, all issues are linked and every part feels so no, I’d simply say to individuals comply with your coronary heart and won’t lead you astray.

Jenn Procacci 39:41
That is lovely and and it is so true. I completely agree with you there. And I do know that you simply do a variety of different actions exterior of your hemp farming. So would you share your different expertise with our listeners and inform them how they’ll get in contact with you or discover out extra concerning the different stuff that you simply do?

Len Mackey 39:57
Certain, yeah. infatuate with indigenous data from all cultures everywhere in the world, and so, you recognize, I have been learning intensively survival and historical dwelling expertise for the previous variety of years, after which fishing and searching and all that great things since I used to be a child. So we now have a bit of tracker, homeschool program right here, and we do completely different expertise, I’ve a YouTube channel, have been simply getting on the market. Now. There’s some edible medicinal plant research on there. Some movies on easy methods to make fireplace by friction. Within the winter time or after rains, you know the way to forestall hypothermia and people sorts of issues. So yeah, I attempt to share that stuff and retains me linked to this place that I dwell in. And so for those who’re searching for extra, you recognize, with reference to these sorts of expertise, you possibly can go on YouTube, it is historical Earth expertise, sprint Len Mackey. Or you will discover me on Instagram at historical Earth expertise. And I might like to share all these items with everyone obtained to maintain it alive, and move it on to the following ones developing. And yeah, additionally, you recognize, undoubtedly for those who’re involved in any of our fantastic hemp, you possibly can attain out to us at Shima, Hill hemp@gmail.com. Me and my brother Phil will likely be very grateful for all of the assist in these endeavors. And I simply need to thanks, too, a lot, Jen for this glorious alternative. I simply really feel so blessed to fulfill somebody on the earth who’s doing such good issues as you might be and you recognize, so I simply really feel fairly honored to be part of it and simply need to say thanks so very a lot.

Jenn Procacci 41:42
Thanks to Glenn. It has been so uplifting and exquisite to talk with you this morning. It is so vital for us to stay linked throughout this very demanding and isolating time that we’re all going by way of. So thanks for sharing your positivity and your data and simply all your nice insights with me and with our listeners on the market for spreading this love that you’ve for the hashish plant and the hemp plant. They’re the identical plant. Thanks for thanks for sharing that pleasure with us all. And would you simply do me a favor and spell Shima hill so that everybody is aware of how they’ll get in contact with you?

Len Mackey 42:18
Oh positive. Shima Hill is s h i m a capsule h i ll Shima Hill hem. Gmail.

Jenn Procacci 42:28
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